With the dust still settling on the romance of Crystal Palace's win over Manchester City in the FA Cup Final, ITV's Mark Pougatch joins me to talk about how important it is to retain the heart and soul of sport in the face of blatant commercialism. The beating heart of cricket remains in the County Championship and as the white ball summer gets underway, Mark stresses that we should not lose sight of what really matters.

Mark also talks about his new podcast - "How It All Played Out" - which focuses on the stories behind the most dramatic and iconic moments in sports history. It's available now wherever you get your podcasts.