ffinlo Costain speaks to Dougald Hine, author of 'At Work in the Ruins: Finding our place in the time of climate crisis and other emergencies'. Hine is a social thinker, writer and speaker, and one of the great minds behind the Dark Mountain Project.

We talk about his new book, and about the role of agriculture and food production in taking humanity through ecological, social and economic collapse.

You can buy Hine's book - At Work in the Ruins - at all good book shops, on the street, or online.