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Diversity: Beyond the Checkbox

The Diversity Movement
161 episodes   Last Updated: Apr 29, 25
A weekly podcast delivering diverse insights and perspectives from global leaders in business, executive education and diversity & inclusion. Hosted by award-winning business leader, best-selling author, investor and co-founder of The Diversity Movement, Jackie Ferguson.

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In this episode of Diversity: Beyond the Checkbox, Greg Morley, global HR and inclusion leader and author of Bond: Belonging and the Keys to Inclusion and Connection, shares how belonging isn’t just a feel-good concept—it’s a leadership imperative. Greg’s career journey from warehouse worker to executive at companies like Disney and LVMH has given him a rare, grounded perspective on what it truly takes to create workplaces where people feel seen, valued, and empowered.Through personal stories and hard-earned lessons—from cross-cultural leadership in Hong Kong to building trust one conversation at a time—Greg reveals why emotional intelligence, vulnerability, and standing in others’ shoes are at the heart of effective DEI work. He also challenges leaders to move beyond fear, foster inclusive environments, and recognize that belonging is the ultimate competitive advantage.Learn More About Greg Morley:Author: Bond: Belonging and the Keys to Inclusion and ConnectionWebsite: gregmorley.comConnect: Follow Greg on LinkedIn Greg’s work focuses on building inclusive, high-performing teams through emotional intelligence, vulnerability, and leadership that puts people first.Connect with us on social media:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/diversity_beyondthecheckbox/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/diversity-beyond-the-checkbox-podcast/Website: https://beyondthecheckbox.com/Hosted by Jackie Ferguson, award-winning business leader, best-selling author, and co-founder of The Diversity Movement.
What does it really take to lead people well who don’t look like you, think like you, or come from your background?In this powerful episode of Diversity: Beyond the Checkbox, Jackie Ferguson sits down with Stephanie Chung—a bold, barrier-breaking executive who rose from baggage handler to become the first African American president of a private aviation company. Her story isn’t just inspiring—it’s a leadership masterclass grounded in grit, vision, and real-world results.Drawing from her book, Ally Leadership: How to Lead People Who Are Not Like You, Stephanie breaks down what it takes to lead across lines of difference—race, gender, generation, neurodiversity, and beyond. She introduces the “ALLY” framework—Ask, Listen, Learn, Take Action—and explains how true leadership begins with vulnerability, curiosity, and trust.You’ll learn how to command respect in rooms where you're underestimated, how to build trust that accelerates performance, and how to lead with emotional intelligence without compromising authority. Whether you’re looking to grow your influence, elevate your personal brand, or position yourself for the next big opportunity, this episode delivers the mindset and strategy to get there.Learn More About Stephanie Chung:TikTok: @thestephaniechungInstagram: @thestephaniechungLinkedin: thestephaniechungYouTube: @CoachstephaniechungFacebook: TheStephanieChungwww.stephaniechung.comConnect with us on social media:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/diversity_beyondthecheckbox/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/diversity-beyond-the-checkbox-podcast/Website: https://beyondthecheckbox.com/Hosted by Jackie Ferguson, award-winning business leader, best-selling author, and co-founder of The Diversity Movement.
" We hide and we think it's keeping us safe, but it's actually keeping us small. It's keeping us hidden in the shadows" -Ruth RathblottWhat are you hiding? And how is it holding you back?Ruth Rathblott returns to Diversity: Beyond the Checkbox to explore the concept of unhiding—the act of shedding the fears and societal pressures that make us conceal aspects of ourselves. Ruth shares her journey of embracing her own identity as a person with a limb difference, revealing how years of hiding held her back from true connection and fulfillment. Through her latest book, Unhide and Seek, and her thought-provoking Time Magazine op-ed, she continues to challenge organizations and individuals to rethink the way we approach inclusion and belonging.Learn More About Ruth RathblottOfficial Website: https://www.ruthrathblott.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ruthrathblott/TEDx Talk – "Unhiding: The New Inclusion": https://www.ted.com/talks/ruth_rathblott_unhiding_the_new_inclusionBooks by Ruth RathblottSingle-Handedly: Learning to Unhide and Embrace Connection: https://www.ruthrathblott.com/singlehandedly-bookUnhide and Seek: Live Your Best Life, Do Your Best Work: https://www.ruthrathblott.com/unhide-and-seekInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/diversity_beyondthecheckbox/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/diversity-beyond-the-checkbox-podcast/Website: https://beyondthecheckbox.com/Hosted by Jackie Ferguson, award-winning business leader, best-selling author, and co-founder of The Diversity Movement.
Marketing isn’t just about selling—it shapes what we see, how we think, and the choices we make. From the products on store shelves to the ads that fill our feeds, businesses play a major role in influencing our decisions. But are they really getting it right?Dr. Sonya Grier, a marketing expert and professor at American University’s Kogod School of Business, has spent over 30 years studying the connection between marketing, business strategy, and consumer behavior. In this episode, she breaks down:How marketing impacts what’s available to different communities—and why it mattersThe biggest mistakes companies make when trying to reach diverse audiencesThe role of AI in shaping advertising and the risks that come with itWhy some corporate DEI efforts fall short and what actually drives real changeWhether you're in marketing, business, or just curious about how companies shape the world around us, this conversation offers a fresh perspective on the power of marketing—and why getting it right is more important than ever.Links:Learn more about Dr. Sonya Grier: https://www.american.edu/kogod/faculty/griers.cfmCheck out the Race in the Marketplace Research Network: https://rimnetwork.netRead Dr. Grier’s article on faculty diversity struggles: https://theconversation.com/usFollow Dr. Grier on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sonya-a-grier-57a108/Become a part of our community:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/diversity_beyondthecheckbox/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/diversity-beyond-the-checkbox-podcast/Website: https://beyondthecheckbox.com/Hosted by Jackie Ferguson, award-winning business leader, best-selling author, and co-founder of The Diversity Movement.Production by Walk West - https://www.walkwest.com
Dating Apps Have Changed Everything—But Are They Really Safe? Online dating has opened up new ways to connect, but it also comes with risks—scammers, harassment, and even gender-based violence. What’s being done to make dating apps safer?Meet Kenya Fairley, Planning and Partnerships Associate Director of Trust and Safety at Bumble, who has spent more than 20 years working in survivor-centered advocacy. At Bumble, she’s helping to create a safer, more respectful online dating experience through policy, partnerships, and tech-driven innovation.In this episode, Kenya shares:The biggest risks in online dating—and how to protect yourselfHow Bumble’s safety features work and why they matterWhy personal “agency” is necessary for women in dating and beyondHow AI is shaping the future of trust and security in online spacesLessons from Kenya’s time in government and how they apply to techBumble has made women’s safety a priority from the start, and Kenya is working to ensure the platform continues to lead the way. Whether you’re actively dating or just interested in how tech companies approach safety, this conversation is one you’ll want to hear.Download the episode now and learn what’s being done to make online dating safer for everyone.Links:Learn more about Bumble’s safety initiatives: https://safety.bumble.com/Follow Kenya Fairley on LinkedIn: Kenya FairleyListen to Bumble’s podcast Give Me A Buzz: https://open.spotify.com/show/110ywFrsl2kOohhWAAZlYnRead The Bumble Buzz blog: https://bumble.com/en/the-buzzBecome a part of our community:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/diversity_beyondthecheckbox/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/diversity-beyond-the-checkbox-podcast/Website: https://beyondthecheckbox.com/Hosted by Jackie Ferguson, award-winning business leader, best-selling author, and co-founder of The Diversity Movement.Production by Walk West - https://www.walkwest.com
DEI efforts are at a crossroads, and Lily Zheng is here to explain what’s broken—and more importantly, what it will take to create real, measurable change in workplaces.Lily is an unapologetically bold DEI strategist, consultant, and best-selling author whose work has been featured in Harvard Business Review, New York Times, and NPR. Their groundbreaking books—DEI Deconstructed, Reconstructing DEI, and Fixing Fairness—lay out practical, evidence-based strategies for building truly inclusive and effective organizations.In this episode, you’ll learn:Why traditional DEI efforts often fall short and how to fix them.The four pillars of Lily’s FAIR Framework: Fairness, Access, Inclusion, and Representation.How measuring impact can improve DEI efforts and keep practitioners motivated.Strategies for navigating today’s societal and political DEI challenges.Why DEI work benefits everyone—and how to communicate that win-win effectively.Through their sharp insights and candid reflections, Lily inspires us to hold the DEI industry to a higher standard while emphasizing the importance of hope, community, and systemic change.Links:Learn more about Lily Zheng: https://www.lilyzheng.co/Follow Lily on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lilyzheng308/Buy Lily’s books: DEI Deconstructed | Fixing Fairness (coming soon!)Become a part of our community:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/diversity_beyondthecheckbox/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/diversity-beyond-the-checkbox-podcast/Website: https://beyondthecheckbox.com/Hosted by Jackie Ferguson, award-winning business leader, best-selling author, and co-founder of The Diversity Movement.Production by Earfluence - https://www.earfluence.com
This week, we’re joined by Lisa Cordileone and Shaan Dasani, the visionary executive producers behind Crazy as a Loon, a film inspired by a dark and often-overlooked chapter of American history: The Lavender Scare. In 1953, during this unsettling period, LGBTQ+ government employees were targeted and persecuted, deemed security risks to the country due to the belief that their identities made them morally weak and vulnerable to blackmail.Lisa and Shaan bring their personal perspectives to this powerful story that transcends history, addressing universal themes of resilience, family, and the pursuit of peace.Lisa’s background as an actor and producer fuels her passion for amplifying LGBTQ+ voices, celebrating underrepresented historical figures, and mentoring new talent in filmmaking. Shaan, an actor and filmmaker, contributes a deeply human lens to storytelling, emphasizing shared experiences that foster empathy and understanding.In this episode, you’ll learn:The inspiration behind the short film and how it sheds light on The Lavender Scare while exploring timeless human struggles.How Lisa and Shaan’s lived experiences as LGBTQ+ creatives shape their storytelling.The challenges and rewards of using film to bridge societal divides and promote empathy.Tips for creating narratives that prioritize authenticity and inclusivity.Through their filmmaking, Lisa and Shaan remind us of the enduring power of storytelling to illuminate history, celebrate diversity, and inspire change.Links:Crazy as a Loon Updates: https://www.instagram.com/crazyasaloon.shortfilm/Lisa Cordileone: https://www.instagram.com/lisa.cordileone/Shaan Dasani: https://www.instagram.com/shaandasani/Become a part of our community on:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/diversity_beyondthecheckbox/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/diversity-beyond-the-checkbox-podcast/Our Website: https://beyondthecheckbox.com/Hosted by award-winning business leader, best-selling author, investor and co-founder of The Diversity Movement, Jackie Ferguson.Production by Earfluence.
As we approach the launch of Season 11, we're taking a moment to reflect on the incredible guests from Season 10. We are proud of the conversations we’ve shared, the insights we’ve gained, and the diverse voices we’ve elevated. Season 10 has been a testament to the transformative power of dialogue, personal empowerment, and connectedness. Today you'll hear from:Tony Martignetti, MBA, PCC - https://pod.link/1496992226/episode/66c201bb3719eea4b8d3350194fdc565Alison Taylor - https://pod.link/1496992226/episode/7400e1797850f0577291708fc1abd74eJamie Love - https://pod.link/1496992226/episode/c4a7bd452e48fd35073788b6dae220e7Trier Bryant - https://pod.link/1496992226/episode/aac51dcc6faec19be97c203915393815Fiona Lloyd - https://pod.link/1496992226/episode/6e40ceba46952dc446346a9fb30d2918Elaine Lin Hering - https://pod.link/1496992226/episode/018f4e85cca168ade8be811454e7cfdbSunaina Sinha Haldea - https://pod.link/1496992226/episode/8b147fcb7702a6190d9e559d4be62d70Valera Wilson - https://pod.link/1496992226/episode/27d63583c2f3baf54b62139baf59a745Amber Cabral - https://pod.link/1496992226/episode/67ea8ccec9ab7b296741fc1fb2d4c368Arjun Sharda - https://pod.link/1496992226/episode/a5889a87166c42c02cbc17d052d2558dCoco Brown - https://pod.link/1496992226/episode/636e5188f94a3d6423fc2dba24fe0f1dRaquel Willis - https://pod.link/1496992226/episode/918398b08a54de3d6bcffbe686ce4fd4Dr. Charlotte Owens, MD, FACOG - https://pod.link/1496992226/episode/c870af4a31659c80da668cbd82ac5aa9Karen R. Baker, MTA, MA - https://pod.link/1496992226/episode/a19bc872a3809fcef142f7db8c0e3455Kellie Walenciak - https://pod.link/1496992226/episode/5edc1f6045b1670cac160e7119d35268Dr. Doris Bullock - https://pod.link/1496992226/episode/4902a8b4f90a4b3fd0087b48219943bcJoe Davis - https://pod.link/1496992226/episode/b65418984fa76f1a2d2b672956cc6cd9Lindsay LaBennett - https://pod.link/1496992226/episode/8411fbbb9d346b2204e3d25bfe1ec1e0Become a part of our community on:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/diversity_beyondthecheckbox/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/diversity-beyond-the-checkbox-podcast/Our Website: https://beyondthecheckbox.com/Hosted by award-winning business leader, best-selling author, investor and co-founder of The Diversity Movement, Jackie Ferguson.Production by Earfluence.
Jackie Ferguson, Inc. Female Founders 200 award winner, and host of the globally acclaimed podcast, Diversity: Beyond the Checkbox is joined by Joe Davis, Managing Director and Senior Partner of Boston Consulting Group and Sunaina Sinha Haldea, Global Head of Private Capital Advisory at Raymond James.Named in the Top 100 Management Podcasts in the world, this special episode will be livestreamed as part of Workplace Options’ Summit delving into the critical role of employee engagement in driving organizational success and the pivotal strategies that leaders and governance structures can employ to foster a highly motivated and committed workforce. To watch the video of this session and access other sessions, visit:https://www.workplaceoptions.com/info/leading-with-purpose-employee-engagement-strategies-to-inspire-and-win/Follow Diversity: Beyond the Checkbox on LinkedIn, Instagram, X and YouTube.Check out exclusive bonus content on BeyondtheCheckbox.com.
Amber Cabral is an entrepreneur, podcaster, TEDx speaker and a best-selling author. In this episode, Amber discusses her decision to step out into entrepreneurship after six years at Walmart, her inspiration for creating her podcast, "Guilty Privilege," and her motivation to write the conversation-sparking book, "Allies and Advocates: Creating an Inclusive and Equitable Culture." She shares the secret to maintaining momentum in the DEI space, tips on pursuing professional happiness and so much more."Diversity Beyond the Checkbox" is presented by The Diversity Movement and hosted by Inc 200 Female Founders award winner, Jackie Ferguson. Follow Diversity: Beyond the Checkbox on LinkedIn, Instagram, X and YouTube.Check out exclusive bonus content on BeyondtheCheckbox.com!This show is proud to be a part of The Living Corporate Network and to be produced by Earfluence.